English Translation of an Interview of Dr. Reiner Fuellmich
by Ralf Langemann on Klubderklarenworte - 3 Juli 2021
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, the Drosten Hunter, in a detailed interview
Original German language podcast
Based on a transcription to German of the original spoken interview and a working translation into English.
Note: bracketed and italicised text added by editor/translator as an interpretation of likely meaning where this is unclear or clarification of what has been stated.
Langemann:
Dr. Fuellmich, how should we imagine your daily routine at the moment, is there still room for regular legal mandates, outside of the Corona work you are doing?
Fuellmich:
Yes, indeed, it is a bit difficult. I’ve been putting off working on a legal document for one of the bank cases for two days now. I’ll manage that today somehow, it’ll take me 3 or 4 hours. But after that comes another zoom, then another zoom. It always starts at 7 o’clock and then slowly ends at 11 o’clock, or even later if I’m not careful. So, it’s only possible because my wife now always makes sure that we have at least one day at the weekend with no more than 1,2, or 3 conversations, otherwise it’s very hard going, that’s true.
Langemann:
How would you describe your predominant state of mind at the moment - Anger, serenity, joy?
Fuellmich:
Strange - on the one hand, of course, I see how they are trying with every effort, even without a reason [to maintain power]. The latest [government] legislative initiative that has just secretly come through - I think it was some kind of foundation law that was passed – does not even require the existence of any preconditions of an epidemic situation of national scope. So let’s really take off the mask, they are now telling you quite clearly that it is no longer about health.
So, we now have to endure these measures for at least another year even without the existence of these preconditions, which were actually always the basis. I assume that they will never again voluntarily give up these control possibilities that they have acquired. On the other hand, I also see today, in the almost delusional response of the other side, something which has never happened before in our history - here today, house searches and seizures were carried out on a judge for the second time.
Also, another judge was searched and seized for the first time and a professor, one of the most important experts on the PCR test, was searched and seized. Another search and seizure was carried out at the home of an artist and cabaret artist, and a search and seizure was also carried out at the home of a lawyer who had stood up for the children in the Weimar proceedings, i.e. a person who wanted to protect children against organised abuse. but [fortunately] she was away on holiday at the time.
The most important thing for her, because she had discovered that data had obviously been falsified in the Weimar proceedings, was that she was given access to the original file.
As it had just been sent to her, she of course she took it with her on holiday to study.
You have to bear in mind the following: In these family law proceedings, which form the background for all this, a judge said of the complaint of the parents, that what is going on in the schools is extremely dangerous for the children as it destroys them physically and psychologically, (the judgement no. 1666BGB says this). The judge listened to three experts, and on the basis of the expert opinions on the psychology of the children, the masks and the PCR test, he said: “There is no basis [for these measures]. This is extremely dangerous, so stop it immediately”!
The next thing to happened was that other fellow judges (they are not really colleagues) accused this judgement of being an “outbreak of a legal act” - a completely fictitious term - so either they are very afraid of Corona or “bribe money” plays a role there, as it does at many levels. And the next but one was the “first”. [meaning of this sentence unresolved]
Today was notable, because five people were hit simultaneously in a search and seizure operation and there’s never been anything like it. This probably happens all the time in fascist states, but in democracies - which is what Germany was until a few months ago - you could say that this has never happened before.
But what I read into this is that the other side are panicking. That they see that their cover is slowly slipping away, because in England, a mass protests occurred on the streets of London involving several hundred thousand, some journalists speak of a million, people. Something like that of course doesn’t get reported by the mainstream media of course. The BBC, or British Brainwashing Cooperation as they are called by now, said 350 people! These protests led to the resignation of the UK health minister. While over in Singapore they now say - It’s just a normal flu, it’s over, so we’ll stop with the measures. These things tell me that something is happening, and that is the reason why in Germany they are striving with all their might to maintain their sovereignty to keep the measures open indefinitely and without any preconditions.
Langemann:
You just spoke about Britain, when were the protests?
Fuellmich:
That was, I think, on Friday [editor’s note: the demo was on Saturday June 19th]. Because when I met with some people here, interestingly enough, we received this film footage from the brother of Mr. Ramelow (the Prime Minister of Thuringia). Short clips of at least hundreds of thousands of people - the journalist Sally Beck, with whom we also spoke in the Corona Committee, says there were over a million - dancing in the streets. In London, of all places, to the Pink Floyd song “Another Brick in the Wall”/ “Teacher - leave them kids alone” - so appropriate and great. When I see that, when I hear [the news] from Singapore, when I see that in the USA at least 30 states are now open and that some of the governors are explicitly banning the measures and also legally prohibiting the existence of a vaccination card, then I know that we are on course.
It is still a hard road, but we are on course.
Langemann:
In the second conversation we had with each other, I think I asked you whether you are still a lawyer or already an activist. Today I want to ask you, are you - today, as of this point in time at which we are having the conversation - are you a politician and activist or are you still a lawyer.
Fuellmich:
I am a lawyer first and foremost. But I am also an activist. As for being a politician, I don’t know if there really is such a thing - or if you are simply the person you are and then become politically active. I have no intention of changing, twisting or even bending in any way. I will continue to maintain my style and the interests and principles I stand for. But moreover, it fits what I have going on in this party now. It was now time, and will now be time, for the faces of the resistance (Prof. Bakhdi, Prof. Reiss, Prof. Schwab) to…
Langemann:
Excuse me - you are talking about the dieBasis [party] right now?
Fuellmich:
Yes - this is the party “the Base” [dieBasis in German], which is celebrating its first anniversary, I think this weekend. This party was founded last year by a number of committed people. Contrary to some claims, I had nothing to do with it, but at some point they approached the Corona Committee for the reason that this party was founded because they did not agree with the Corona measures and wanted to know what was actually behind them. We in the Corona Committee were the ones who had worked from the beginning (since 10.7.2020) to clarify the situation and to bring light into the darkness. In the meantime, we have an international audience. The hits on our website and all the interviews we have done (e.g. with Dr. Mike Yeadon/former Pfizer VP, or Luc Montagnier/Nobel Prize winner from France) are from a worldwide audience and we seem to be a significant source of information.
So lot of people have become aware of us as we’ve attracted more and more people. Allegedly, 90% of the new members in the [dieBasis] party came via the Corona Committee.
Langemann:
You once said to me in a previous conversation, that you had not exercised your right to vote for many years before. Today you are the top candidate of the grassroots. How do you reconcile your political commitment with abstinence from the first civic duty to vote, which you have not done for many years?
Fuellmich:
That is perhaps even a logical consequence. A friend of mine used to say to me: “No, you have to vote, because if you don’t vote, you are partly to blame for the chaos that may arise.
But I never saw anyone I could have voted for. I used to vote for red/green, but they’re completely out of it for me. This China communism that they represent, that’s not on at all. The governing parties basically don’t work, they got us in here - the CDU/CSU plus the SPD. The Greens are completely out. Then there were the Left and the AfD. To my astonishment, I have to say that the only ones from whom someone has shone from time to time, with reasonable contributions to Corona, is the AfD. But there are also people there who are not so reasonable, and I don’t think that party as a whole has a clear course. That is the reason why, in my view, the party needs the grassroots, politics from the individual members, from the bottom up - contrary to what we have now. We don’t even have federalism, we have a kind of empress, at least that’s what she has made herself into.
We want to work from the bottom up, we want to be regionally active and we want to make sure that people in the regions can make their own rules that suit them. Instead of these “one size fits all” rules from the corporations, the NGOs, which are controlled and founded by the same people as the corporations. We can’t have that, we have WHO rules that primarily serve the pharmaceutical industry and treat people as mere material.
We don’t want that any more, we want to detach ourselves from these corporations and NGOs, even from those that seem to serve reasonable or green purposes. Because in the meantime we have discovered through the numerous hearings, for example, that even the World Wildlife Fund, of which I was once a member, was founded by the very group that is trying to drive us against the wall here.
Langemann:
Do you aspire to political office?
Reiner:
Yes, if it suits me, I’ll do it.
Langemann:
Which [office]?
Fuellmich:
I don’t know. We have to find out first. But we want to have an answer for every question when this really starts. So far, we have been holding back. So far, we have only said that we would make ourselves available, that we would campaign. But in the meantime it has become clear that we also have to find answers to questions about the shadow cabinet.
We have great people who can do anything. Martin Schwab is super smart, super authentic - the others are all beyond any doubt. There is not a single one of them from this inner circle - including the other entrepreneurs or in the grassroots in Bavaria, where it is very strong, by the way - whom I would accuse of anything other than being concerned with the matter at hand. So, there are many who are suitable for everything, but whatever the grassroots say, whatever they expect from me, we will see if it makes sense - and then I will do it.
Question Langemann:
I know this sentence - there are many in our party who are suitable for many things - from the SPD, the CDU, the CSU and the FDP. With that, you’ve arrived very early on where the established parties are.
Fuellmich:
We’ll be able to say this publicly in the next few days - we haven’t discussed it yet - but now that you ask, I remembered that last night Wolfgang Wodarg said, “Reiner, we have to see that we can also answer the question about the shadow cabinet. We have to know the answer to everything.”
So we will do that now. By the weekend it will all become very clear who is in what position here. We think we have a lot of potential, by the way. Even though in Saxony-Anhalt, where I was the top candidate in Magdeburg, the whole thing looked very bad with 1.6%. However, the elections were contested by the state chairwoman because some things - Reitschuster referred to this, others too - stank so obviously of electoral fraud, similar to the Trump election in the USA, that we said we had to do something about it. So let’s do something, and at the same time that was also a call to all of us, to the leading candidates, to become visible now.
Langemann:
What do you personally see as your core competence?
Fuellmich:
I’m someone who can work in detail on legal documents when it matters, but I’m actually more of a strategist, I don’t like tactics. I am someone who, when he has an idea of where the journey could go, likes to have people at his side who can help. But who is certainly not in a position to do all the detailed work. There are or were politicians who have read every file, looked up every source - that’s enough for me, if even what I know anyway, a few helpers tell me, you have to pay close attention to that. I notice when I really have to read up on something. I worked at the chair for a long time - Prof. Deutsch, one of the best-known international liability lawyers - he had this incredible ability, when he had to correct dissertations, to read them and simply skim over some of the pages and then pause exactly at the point where the weak point or something good was.
His students, one of whom I was, he had six, obviously learned that too. I can do that too. The moment I notice - it’s a gut feeling - here’s something, I look closely. That is usually enough to give me the full picture.
Langemann:
That sounds like a general secretary.
Fuellmich:
Yes, something like that. I don’t think I’m the door-kicker type, but let’s see. I think we have really good plans. But we haven’t talked about concrete roles yet so that we don’t have to fiddle around like this, in a “we can do everything” way. So no, not everyone can do everything. But the troops we have here - including Stefan Kohn, a highly qualified population protectionist who is also a good speaker - are the authors of this paper, which no one has contradicted in terms of content. At the time, he stated that there is no evidence whatsoever that what is going on here is worse than the flu. Mind you, it was the same with Swine flu - after a year it turned out to be a mild flu. Unfortunately, quite a few people had already been deprived of their health with the vaccinations. Now Singapore has said - why, it’s only a mild flu - we’ll stop. Stefan Kohn already stated this in May last year and then - because he is a population protectionist - spoke extensively about the risks threatened people from the measures, both health-wise and economically. In the meantime, all of this has more than proven true.
Langemann:
It sounds as if the status of the party is that of a grassroots action alliance rather than a party at the moment?
Fuellmich:
I wouldn’t say that. It started that way, that’s true. But now, slowly, it’s all falling into place so that the puzzle fits together into a whole picture and also into a shadow cabinet.
Langemann:
Let’s say you’re sitting on the train and Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten gets on in Göttingen. He sits down two rows in front of you and you see him at an angle, across the passage. What do you do?
Fuellmich:
I don’t think I would do anything. We have legal disputes going on - they are being torpedoed like we have never experienced before - but the concrete answer is that I probably wouldn’t do anything. If he came to me, on the other hand, I would probably try to find out why he is spreading these lies. Because we can prove that he is deliberately lying - both about his PCR tests and about the asymptomatic infections. That’s what I would try to do.
But in the meantime, I would probably rather retreat to saying there is litigation going on here in Germany, against him and Wieler, there is litigation going on internationally against the PCR tests. There is a very big case going on, it will be brought within the next fortnight - not in Germany, because the German rule of law is so broken that nothing works here at the moment. When they hear that a judge who is trying to protect children from abuse is being searched and things are being confiscated - experts and professors are also being searched - so here it’s not working at all at the moment, here the pressure is greatest.
But, one of these things is on another continent. I won’t say which one now, because it will come out in 14 days anyway. On yet another continent, our colleagues are preparing something really big, our people are always there, our experts. The American and Canadian lawyers, with whom we have very close contact, are helping on this other continent. There is a great chance of success, according to what our colleagues have told us. And there will be further class action - there is one pending in Canada, that is the one that only deals with children - if it is won, all the others will automatically win. Because the basis for everything is the Drosten PCR test. And if, as three courts have told me in the meantime, it cannot detect any infections, and if it was set up exclusively to create as many cases as possible, then the result will not only help the children, but it will help everyone.
Langemann:
Mr. Fuellmich, in the first conversation we had, you said, and I quote, “Drosten is a fraud”. Do you stick to that?
Fuellmich:
Yes, absolutely. The matter has also been proven. It’s not as if it’s just a feeling - no, it’s legally provable here, deliberately false statements of fact - in civil law we would call that deliberate immoral damage. And then there is also an end to what the Americans are always afraid of, with the immunity of the vaccination industry.
By the way, you have to realise that the pharmaceutical industry, the vaccine industry, has no costs, but research and development are paid for by taxpayers’ money. Partly from parts of the federal budget. Mrs Merkel made sure that billions from the federal budget went to Gavi and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation from hidden sources. In other words, they have had no costs whatsoever. The production of the finished product was paid for by German and international taxpayers. And the profits, where do they go? At any rate, not with the taxpayer, but with the companies, some of which now have billionaires in their ranks. Against this background, I would say that the term fraud is still too mild.
But fraud in the criminal law sense means: deception, error, misappropriation of assets and damage, and we can all prove these. The interesting question is, can we prove that it was intentional? Yes we can, because both his claim that “there are asymptomatic infections” is false and he knew it was false - I think we’ve talked about that before. Because in the paper that he wrote on this, (a preprint) he wrote to prove that there are these asymptomatic infections, that people who look perfectly healthy can be sick or infected. He referred to a Wuhan Chinese woman who flew in from Frankfurt and then infected people at the Webasto company in Bavaria - but allegedly she had no symptoms. This was a bald-faced lie, and he knows it because a scientist pointed it out to him, before his pre-print came out, that she took aspirin. You don’t do that because it tastes good, but because you have symptoms. And then it actually turned out that she had contracted the Corona virus or the flu virus from her parents. So he knew that, and published it anyway without changing it. The scientist who pointed this out to him is called Kai Kupferschmidt.
PCR test - he gave an interview in 2014 in which he said: “Yes, sometimes the test gives a false positive” - he referred to a nurse in connection with the MERS crisis - “yes, the virus flits across her nasal mucosa and then the whole thing tests positive” - although she is healthy. In the meantime, we definitely know that there are no asymptomatic infections. There was a study last year, in Wuhan of all places, with 10 million participants, and it turned out that there is no such thing. Even if there were, it would have no significance whatsoever in the overall picture. So, both claims are false and both claims were needed for this pandemic.
I don’t think we know yet exactly how this went but we were told by former WHO staff that there was indeed an accident at the Wuhan Virology Lab. In this Institute for Virology - even the mainstream media in the USA say so - “gain of function” experiments were done. Fauci, the American counterpart to Wieler, was involved in these experiments, as was Drosten. Gain of function experiments are experiments that try to make viruses more dangerous. It’s completely banned in the US and that’s why it was going on in China. And Fauci apparently wasted a lot of money behind the back of the American taxpayers and apparently lied to his own president. So, there was an accident and this accident led to the fear among the Chinese that something dangerous had happened here. They brought back the head of the lab, she came back on the train in no time at all, and while she was still on the train, they took down the website and deleted everything they could to cover their tracks.
But after a few weeks it turned out that it was nothing really dangerous. But we assume that the people who coordinate what is going on there now had been planning it for about 10 years.
Most recently, they practised it with the infamous Event 2O1, which is actually called Event 21 - the O in the middle is the symbol for the earth. They said, this is the opportunity, now we roll out our agenda, now we ramp up Corona and make it happen step by step. Drosten got his command, and allegedly started fiddling with a test like this on New Year’s Eve. So, while he and Wieler and the others around the world - Fauci too, by the way - were saying, it [the virus] is not bad at all, it’ll all pass you by without a trace, don’t get upset - he developed this test. Why, when it’s all so harmless? And now it comes, in two steps: on 22 and 23 January, pressure was apparently exerted by the pharma tech (almost merged) industry on the WHO, which in fact belongs to the Chinese and Bill Gates, who should finally declare the “Public Health Emergency of International Concern”. Why?
Because it is needed to use untested medicines, in this case alleged vaccines, on humans. So, you need an emergency situation. That’s why what happened in the USA with the untested so-called vaccines is an “Emergency Use Authorisation”. And what has happened here in Germany or Europe, on the part of the EU, is a “Conditional Authorisation” - in other words, emergency authorisation or conditional authorisation. That’s what you do with medicines when you have an emergency, and that’s why they needed this Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). But they couldn’t do it because there were practically no cases on 22/23 January.
Then there was even more pressure. Yes, okay, then we’ll meet again in a fortnight, after which there was the second emergency meeting and then this Public Health Emergency (PHEIC) was actually announced.
Why, what had changed in the 14 days? Only one thing, the Drosten’s test had been made available by Mr Drosten to the WHO, who used it and the way it was set up, this test produced thousands of cases, as we know by now, from the examination of many witnesses, including, a former vice-president of Pfizer, Dr Mike Yeadon, all false positives, because the test per se, cannot detect infection, and was set up to test positive for practically anything. With cycles of amplification [of the virus fragments] of 24 or more – you’re doubling on each cycle, so 2/4/8/16 etc. At 24 you are at billions or trillions. That’s when the Frankfurt Department of Health says, from here on we don’t take anything seriously, from here on everything is unscientific.
And Mike Yeadon told us, from 35 cycles you have at least 97% false positives. Drosten’s test, was set at 45. And that’s when you had the public health emergency and then that sort of set the whole agenda in motion.
What happened first - lockdown, masks, social distancing, hand washing, etc. was, in our estimation, and we’ve spoken with many psychologists, actually only a measures of discipline to make people become submissive. That’s why this panic number [was orchestrated] along with these orders not to ask questions, as Wieler said. Now if that isn’t fascism! Asking questions is scientific and democratic.
From the beginning, however, the vaccine was targeted as the final destination. The people have been led there relatively successfully, until they now run up against a wall, because the enthusiasm for vaccination has waned so much that nothing works in the USA any more. Even if you offer the children ice cream and if the employers offer their employees 200 dollars - they are now running into a steel wall. It’s not much better in Europe.
Langemann:
I asked you earlier whether you continue to think Drosten is a fraud, looking back to our first conversation. There are quite a few people in Germany who also think you are a fraud. Because you promised something, namely that you would sue, which would be one of the biggest lawsuits worldwide.
Fuellmich:
Yes, we are convinced that they are either fools or controlled opposition who are of course being set on us - and not only on us - as lawyers, but also on the party’s grassroots. Anyone who has ever had a legal dispute knows that nothing works for less than 9 months anyway. You can’t get a judgement within 9 months. I have emphasised several times that I have assumed from the very beginning that we will not win a single cent here in Germany. Nevertheless, we have filed lawsuits here and continue to do so, but only because we believe that what we are doing here will sooner or later receive support from the Anglo-American cases.
We have filed the first class action in Canada, now the second class action is coming and we have already paid for it. We have started another huge action on another continent together with our colleagues - each time involving our scientists and our own lawyers.
The [first] class action itself is still there. It is not as if it has been dismissed, so it is therefore legally binding. It was [summarily] dismissed at first instance without an oral hearing! My colleague Michael Swinwood, who I think very highly of, wrote an ingenious statement of grounds of appeal and now it is in the second application. His new lawsuit - even in the old lawsuit he already has children as a group in it - will only deal with children. People laughed about it and said [things like]; What kind of crap is that? He is suing the Vatican, the British Royal Family and Justin Trudeau and also Bill and Melinda Gates and the Jesuits, it’s all nonsense.
Now suddenly, something is happening that makes this complaint super topical and quite promising, the second one even more so - I don’t know if you have heard about it, but 215 dead children have been found at the religious schools in Canada. These are children who were taken away from the Indians and then predominantly educated by the Jesuits. Why are they dead? Why are there 215 children buried and dead? Some of them are less than three years old. What happened to them? Michael Swinwood reckons we’ll find thousands more here. What happened to them? He thinks the same people who are behind the stunt that’s going on right now are behind it. The indications that we have - we have already mentioned this in the Corona Committee, but it is not yet concrete enough to make it public - say that this is the case. And here, too, you can see very clearly that in Germany and also in Europe, the focus is suddenly on the children. The children who have zero, zero, zero risk of infection - who pose zero risk - except for people like Drosten who cannot be taken seriously and must be described in all clarity as a fraud.
Children are not a risk, I think 4 children [in Germany] have died from Corona, I hope only with Corona, but not from Corona. Two of them were already seriously ill before. So, zero risk and yet they are now going after the children with extreme violence and also want to force the children to be vaccinated.
Langemann:
What do you mean by that?
Fuellmich:
What I want to say here is that for reasons we can’t yet quite put our finger on, the children have obviously been at the centre of the action from the very beginning. Now more than ever. From the very beginning, the focus was not on masks and all that junk, but on vaccinations as a measure. The people affected and, above all, the people targeted are now primarily the children. Why is this being done if children are not a risk? Why do we allow children to be tortured? We have heard stories from Mr Forsthuber in Austria about what some teachers do to children that bring tears to our eyes. Why is this happening if children are not a risk? We have very concrete indications that this child abuse plays a very big role - holding parts of the “other side” together. But this is becoming so concrete now that we will be able to say more about it in a few weeks.
Langemann:
You have already used the term “the other side” several times. You just mentioned it again in inverted commas - what is the other side and what do you think is driving it?
Fuellmich:
Whatever the case, money is not the driving force, because the other side has so much money that they don’t care whether they buy the 20th or 30th Ferrari or the 10th or 12th yacht, it’s not about money, but money is used as bribe money. This is the only way to explain that large parts - I am surprised how many parts - of politics, journalism (mainstream journalism) but also medicine, and hospitals play along. When we talk to the whistleblowers behind the scenes, from the area of hospitals and medicine, then most of them already know exactly what is going on. So, let’s assume that what is being done here is completely disproportionate, if not completely inappropriate, and that it is even counterproductive. So, money is only used as a lubricant.
The other side are those who have so much money that they have now become megalomaniacs – probably have been for many years - and believe they can gain full control over the world. These are some super rich people who put their money into collection agencies like Black Rock. Black Rock then invests in corporations like Amazon, and Amazon then clears out what is called the middle class here in Germany, because everyone will have noticed that the retail sector has practically been brought to its knees. What do you do if you want to buy something is that you order it from Amazon. What is not yet known - but is now becoming known because we also have whistle blowers there - is that not only the middle class and the small and medium-sized enterprises are being destroyed, [but it’s being done] to the advantage of these super rich people.
So, I’ll say this again, they put their money into Black Rock at the bottom, it goes on via Amazon, of course there are other corporations - Microsoft is one of them - and Amazon then clears out what is in ruins, the market shares.
But besides that, there is something going on in the car industry - it looks very much like the Chinese are just grabbing the German car industry - we have this from people in the vehicle and supplier industry and they have already bought a number of Asian brands through the Dili group. Then they gained access to the European market by buying Volvo, and Volvo has just made a big deal with Daimler. So, they’re all on the hook. And, as I just found out earlier, now the supply chains are collapsing because the Chinese are not supplying anything anymore. So that means our German car industry - if what these whistleblowers are telling us isn’t a complete lie - is going down the tubes to the point where it, and the technology associated with it, can be easily taken over by the Chinese.
The other side is a few super-rich plus the Chinese, they too are known to have super-rich but they are not a monolithic block. We don’t have to assume that they are all pursuing the same goals, but they do have different, contradictory goals. That’s why there are sometimes contradictory reports here. But at the heart of the matter is that it has never been about health, according to everything we have been able to establish in our committee meetings, but it has always been about gaining control.
Probably also because in the last 20, 30, maybe 40 years this Davos clique, we call them the self-proclaimed politicians and the self-proclaimed corporate elites, have already stolen billions of taxpayers’ money. The evil is these Public-Private Partnerships. Where the public sector and private corporations merge. That’s why we assume that our federal government has long since ceased to be our federal government, but is there exclusively to represent the interests of the corporations - according to the motto: Follow the Money. And already you can see where the money that we are losing ends up through the measures of our government - not only here in Germany. Namely, exactly where the tech - and the finance - and the pharmaceutical industry is at home. And behind them, as I said, are the people who invest in Black Rock and then directly in the pharmaceutical industry via Amazon and others.
Langemann:
Mr. Fuellmich, is that the big bow, the big statement in response to criticism of you and your performance?
Fuellmich:
Part of it, yes. The first part of the answer is that it was always clear that this was not going to be an easy ride. We all didn’t expect it to be so difficult. We are well advised - Martin Schwab is one of us, he is the best lawyer I know at the moment. But we could not have known that it would be so difficult, or rather we only learned that when we interviewed investigative journalists like James Corbett. There are two fantastic documentaries of his that I can only recommend, because they really explain within a couple of hours (the first one is also enough, and then it’s only one hour) what this is all about. One is called “How Big Oil Conquered The World” and the other is called “Why Big Oil Conquered The World”.
There you see how in the 1920s the super-rich, who dominated the oil industry at the time, suddenly made the first move to create the health industry. But that is only part of the answer. There is also an incredible power working here that reaches into the courts. The other answer is that when we realised that nothing was working here in Germany, we had to massively intensify our foreign efforts. But there’s something coming out of that now, as I said. But I think everyone who has ever been involved in a legal dispute has experienced that it doesn’t go through within a few weeks. It’s not as though I file the lawsuit and tomorrow I’ll have the money. That’s a very naive and stupid idea. This is very, very hard work, the hardest any of us lawyers have ever done. But I’m sure it will work out anyway. Let me illustrate how bad it is with the following.
We’ve filed several lawsuits against Drosten and against Wieler. One example, that has been made public, so I’m not giving away any secrets. It is the largest barefoot shoe manufacturer in Germany, for whom we have brought an action for damages in an obscure district court, namely in Duisburg. No one is normally interested in that. As soon as the lawsuit was filed - via BEA (Special Electronic Lawyer’s Mailbox), a kind of email - as soon as it was filed, [someone in] the court, we don’t know who, called the Chancellor’s Office. They were in a panic, and then tried to shut us down by saying that the complaint would not be accepted. What kind of shit is that - since when is a complaint not accepted in Germany? This kind of panic [response] happens in other countries, but not in Germany.
One of those who was approached in the panic is someone we work with and he told me that. He said, “Reiner, what did you do there”? And I said, “Lawsuit filed, against Wieler, for PCR.” Holy shit! They’re running amok here! Has it ever happened before that the Chancellor’s Office was informed of a complaint? What was it all about?
A few days later - I had stated a preliminary amount in dispute of €50,000 in the complaint. We are not in the game to make money, but to win the case and put an end to all of this stuff. That is normally also taken note of and is then also taken as a basis. What does the court in Duisburg do? They arbitrarily, and unlawfully increase the amount in dispute from 50,000 to 31 million. What purpose does that serve? The purpose is quite obvious, they want to prevent the plaintiff from enforcing his claims. Because for an amount in dispute of €31 million, one has to pay €350,000 in court costs alone.
That was still not all. A few days later, the labour inspectorate raided our client’s production facilities. And to see all this in the overall picture, what happened with the judge in Weimar, with what I have just described to you, what happened today, in terms of bogus legal measures, you can roughly imagine why it is so difficult. But it is not impossible. None of the lawyers involved here in Germany has taken any money from these €800 euros plus value added tax [filing fees], but we have used it to pay the next lawsuit, to pay the experts.
Langemann:
So, when you say €800, do you mean the amount you originally called for?
Fuellmich:
Yes, I think it was this €800 plus value added tax. But in the case of this barefoot shoe manufacturer, we had given a value in dispute of 50,000€ - with the stipulation that all other damages that cannot yet be quantified must also be compensated. You can put a price tag on that. But that is 10% of the actual damage that I have provisionally claimed here with 50,000€, but not 31 million. For this lawsuit alone, you would normally have to pay around €6,000 in lawyer’s fees and court costs - I still have it in my head because I did it myself. If we start with 800€, that’s enough to manage all the stuff, to do the bookkeeping. The people are constantly being informed, I will probably write another information letter because the colleagues here in Germany can’t do the same thing in the USA, so there will be another information letter. When the next lawsuit goes out, a very big one with a lot of potential, no one has it on their radar, not even the court has it on their radar - that’s what the money has been spent on.
We will probably need more money, but we will get it from the USA. There are other sponsors who are getting involved with us and who say what you are doing is the right thing. We have always said that I don’t waste my time checking the constitutionality, certainly not with this Constitutional Court with these presidents, or the proportionality of the measures. [If I do this] I am exactly on the wrong side and I have fallen into a trap. I never talk about the proportionality of the measures because it is actually all about the fact that there is no basis for the measures at all. So let’s get on with the PCR test and that’s where it will stay from our point of view.
Langemann:
You also filed a lawsuit in Berlin on behalf of Dr Wolfgang Wodarg, and we talked about this before. As you put it, you were then shown because the court fees were allegedly not booked correctly. Is that correct?
Fuellmich:
That’s right. That was the first problem, when we asked ourselves - why is the lawsuit not being served? There were a few lawyers on the internet who I would classify as controlled opposition or people who tried to make fun of the lawsuit, who are obviously lawyers but have no idea about law, or who let themselves be dragged into conversations by some real estate appraisers.
So there was a lot of nonsense and I kept asking myself, how can it be that the lawsuit hasn’t been served yet? And then at some point a colleague of mine called the court in Berlin and we were told that they had accidentally seen the court costs we paid for the lawsuit [assigned] as the final court costs payment for a [different] finished lawsuit and closed case! So whoever believes [this nonsense] will be blessed. In any case, this and the other lawsuit that was pending for a karaoke bar operator, also a lawsuit for damages in Berlin, was probably the reason why - the case is pending before the same chamber - they only postponed the date for the oral hearing to an unbelievably far out date, namely 9th November this year.
Langemann:
But if I am rightly informed - your critics claim that you committed formal errors in the complaint.
Fuellmich:
Yes, look - the earth is actually round and not flat. The critics believe that the earth is a disc, you know, I can’t think about that kind of crap. We have really good people in the team here and if there are any drivellers who think they have to spout such nonsense - good for them. We don’t want to get into that because it’s a waste of time and energy.
Langemann:
There is a noticeable sigh of relief in parts of the population because of the easing of the political Corona measures. Would you also see it that way?
Fuellmich:
No [I don’t], even though at first glance it appears correct. We believe that this is only the calm before the storm because the ability to strike even harder is being forcefully granted. That’s why this [recent] legislative initiative, hidden as it may be, has led to the fact that now, completely without any precondition of health problems, especially disregarding a precondition of an epidemic situation of national scope, that’s what it has always been about, [this notion that] We have to prevent the health system from being flooded. Now it doesn’t matter anymore and we can keep up all this nonsense for at least a year. This shows me that there is more going on here.
The fact that that in the other hemisphere of the world - we have just been talking about Namibia, where it is now winter - the flu season has now started and that they are doing exactly the same panic act with all their might that they did here in autumn and winter. Shows me that this is exactly what is coming. They will then come up with Delta or Epsilon or banana variants or whatever, some kind of drooling stuff that the criminals think up - to put it bluntly. They will bring this in during the autumn at the latest to convince us that even tougher measures are necessary. And that above all the next vaccination and the one after that is necessary.
We have just established, and we will present this in more detail on Friday, together with medical experts, that apart from the risk - by the way, 30 people die every day in the USA after vaccination - we know that only about 1% are reported at all, we rather assume 3000 people - and this is also the case in the other countries. The situation is similar in Israel, in Canada and especially in England. These are things that would not have happened if there were reasonable studies here. But there are no studies, they are experiments that are being conducted here.
These vaccinations will increase. I had said before that the risks, which have now been confirmed several times by experts, are ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement). If the vaccinated person then ends up encountering a cold or flu wave in the autumn/winter/spring, which is now likely to be much more severe because we didn’t have any or only slightly last year, then the consequence of this illness is massively exacerbated for the vaccinated person - that is ADE.
I had pointed out before, there are no animal studies for this m-RNA, but that is usually an essential part of medical studies. There’s also no proper pre-clinical, that’s also a medical component, and especially, there’s no toxicology. And what’s going on in humans, first pre-clinical then animal studies, that’s going on now - live. In other words, the lab rats are now the people who get vaccinated.
They are not informed about the risk, they are not informed that there is only a conditional approval and they are not informed that there is no medical study on which this is based, but that the test is running right now. The third risk is the thrombosis number and we will point out on Friday, with the help of experts, that there is a risk of thrombosis for everyone who has been vaccinated. Those who already have a genetic predisposition to thrombosis are immediately at risk. And those who don’t have it yet will get it now through the vaccination, so that the next flight can be a problem.
Langemann:
Don’t you think that this kind of normality that is now re-entering everyday life and gaining the upper hand again, that this will also take away the ideological breeding ground from you and your party?
Fuellmich:
There’s something to that, but we don’t believe it. Because we actually have a divided society. Not as much as in the US, where they have about 50:50 - 50% believe in the nonsense and 50% are now largely informed - with us it’s maybe 80 to 20. We just had a discussion within the party that there are supposedly a lot of people out there - I think someone told us some stupid stuff - who say “Yes, the party, dieBasis is great, but they are Corona deniers, that’s why we can’t vote for them” - stupid stuff. The party came into being out of and because of Corona. We were the first - first the committee - but the [dieBasis] party also saw it at about the same time, so I assume after the talks, I wasn’t there at the time, they said - We need to have concrete facts, we want to know what is going on and we want the measures to be stopped immediately until the facts are clear.
Secondly, we want a public scientific discussion of all opinions to begin immediately, and not just the Drosten funk [mainstream podcasts]. Thirdly, and crucially, this time - unlike after the financial crisis - we want the people who triggered this to be held accountable both civilly and criminally.
So even if now the measures are a little bit weaker or if some people are given the impression that now everything is slowly getting better again, I think that the people (this 20%) I was talking about is our main voter potential. All the others we can’t address or may become interested when the measures are tightened again or when all the side effects I just talked about happen, but the 20% we assess as our core potential (maybe it’s 30, because there’s a lot of silent majority on the way) the 20% who know what’s going on and who know that this is just the calm before the storm and that we must by no means rest now and think that it’s going to be alright. No, it won’t [be alright]. Not if we don’t do anything about it.
Langemann:
Are you worried that fact checkers and plagiarism hunters will pick your dissertation apart?
Fuellmich:
No not at all. In the meantime, however, I have become convinced that the people who are in politics are almost all naked, like in “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. Mrs Bearbock obviously has no professional training at all. We have already discussed Drosten. If you look at Mr. Söder, he really only has the first state examination, not the second. If I look around me, I wouldn’t be surprised if a closer look at many others in this group - you could also look at Mrs Merkel - reveals that something is wrong.
Everyone can see my dissertation, which was published in year 1985 or 1986 when I was doing my doctorate. Not like Drosten’s, which was supposedly finished in 2002/2003 and was then seen for the first time in June 2020. Personally, I have no reservations about that at all. In my case, the thing was somewhat luridly called “Death in the Hospital” - everyone knows that dissertations are usually not read by anyone, but you have to print obligatory copies. My aim at the time, because I did a lot of medical law, was to get as many people as possible to see it, “Death in hospital” or “the patient’s right to self-determination”, that was the real goal. I did that, that’s a comparative law work, because at that time in the USA in the states of Oregon and California there was for the first time the possibility of making decisions for one’s health care in the event that one is no longer able to do so oneself. For example, because of serious illness or an accident. That one’s own will still prevails and that medical experiments are not carried out. I don’t know, a baboon’s heart is tested once, that shouldn’t happen. But how can one do that if one is no longer capable of acting oneself? Well, at that time there was a patient’s will, also known as a living will, but that is a rigid document that possibly does not address the specific individual case. So there was representation in health matters in two states at that time. Today, this can be subsumed under the power of attorney for guardianship. For me, it was something completely new at the time and I said, we’ll make a representation in health matters. We then used it here in Germany within our own family and I think it has become established in the meantime, even without my involvement.
I think you can still find this work, even in Palandt the standard legal commentary.
Langemann:
We have federal elections this year - and this is now my final question - on 26 September. Where will you be on 26 September and, above all, where will you be on 27 September?
Fuellmich:
There are a lot of people who believe that I will go back and settle the USA with all the money (which we use for legal disputes) that I supposedly shove into my own pocket (and I already have 12 Ferraris and everything else they accuse me of). I don′t intend to do that. I would like to be there, especially now on our ranch. My wife has always had difficulties there, maybe that’s why it was so easy for her to tell me, come on, we have to go back, we have to take care of Corona. But I will be here somewhere in Germany, let’s see where. I can’t say yet.
Langemann:
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich - Thank you for this interview.
Fuellmich:
Thank you Mr. Langemann. Thank you very much.